Blue needs more respect!

SinisterMarmalade's picture
Submitted by SinisterMarmalade on Tue, 2007-04-03 10:16.

Hello, my real name is Brian and I have been a long time fan of your webcomic. I understand that the characters are in a three way equal relationship where there is no jealousy between them and they all love eachother very much. This is really pretty cool. It seems to me however that Blue isn't getting the same amount of love and understanding that he is giving out. I get that everyone is the butt of a joke sometimes, but Blue seems to be underestimated a lot, and that Crash lately seems particularly careless about how she treats him. I may be wrong here, if so I'm sorry. But in the current storyline, she thought it was funny to spring an uncomfortable situation on him without asking first, then berated him unfairly when he expressed his objection. I myself have some male bi-sexual friends and they are nice, good people. But in the same situation I would be quite upset, and would probably refuse to help not out of fear but because my input was neither needed or asked. I think it is time that Crash shows some appreciation for the trouble that Blue is willing to go through for others and think a bit more about him. Thank you for letting me rant.


Rob's picture

Thanks for commenting, and

Thanks for commenting, and don't worry--Everyone eventually gets their comeupppance. The relationship, by the way, is based on ours.
;-)
"What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly."

sethtriggs's picture

It's an interesting point...

...but I think this group as depicted is also pretty good at communicating too. I think the snark that happens is also rather good-natured too, to be sure...heh heh...

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sethtriggs's picture

LOL!

Well, looks like Blue got plenty of respect from the locals at the bar!

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Wereferret's picture

Blue has always been

Blue has always been portrayed as the butt of the joke, and he takes it all in stride. Crash is the rational one, and Kit is the wacky one of the group. The reason Crash sprung the idea of going to the bar with Melvin on Blue is because Blue had been extremely vocal about his homophobia (well, homophobia in terms of guy-guy relationships). In a previous comic, Blue even got quesy about the idea that Melvin might be checking him out. So, while it may seem mean of Crash to set Blue up to go to the bar, what she is trying to say is, "Dude, it's not cool to have double standards."

Rob's picture

Warning: I'm still on pain meds

(Warning: I'm still on pain meds, so some of this might not come out right.)

Heh! You hit the nail on the head, Forest. Blue's the badass of the group, and sometimes he has to be taken down a notch or be hit over the head with a two by four before he gets the point. He's kind of like me in that respect.

(Forest, being one of my closest friends, already knows this and what follows, but for everyone else I want to go on record, as saying that even though I'm boringly straight, I don't think anyone could ever accuse me of being homophobic, so that is one thing Blue and I do NOT have in common.)

Part of what I wanted to do here (in case the theme was lost on anyone despite my sledgehammer approach to it--and again, I already know that Forest gets it) was show that honestly good people can sometimes have stupid hangups, and that they can and should get over them, although sometimes it DOES take thwapping them upside the head (metaphorically speaking). Since Crash and Kit are bi, and they're in a triad with Blue, he was the best one to use in order to illustrate the hypocrisy of those with "selective homophobia." ALL homophobia is bad, but it is especially galling from someone who thinks two of the opposite sex together is hot while freaking out about gay members of his/her OWN sex.

SinisterMarmelade (I love that user name!) does have a point, though. I haven't really shown the girls--especially Crash--giving Blue the respect he deserves, and while he will remain the butt of many jokes as a result of his and the other characters' comic perspectives, I've been thinking for a while now that it would be good to show a little more often that the respect and affection IS actually there, and that much of the teasing is a way of showing that.

"What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly."

sethtriggs's picture

You need not worry!

I know exactly what you're talking about, and I got the meaning you intended. I don't see Blue, Crash and Kit as self-insertions; they're just inspired personas if anything. So don't worry, heh heh!

I do think the girls have given Blue respect though. But they also convey that they have fun with him, and he does have fun with them as well. And to me, 90% of the time the teasing was good-natured anyway.

-Seth

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Project_Demise's picture

In reply...

I'd like to add on to Wereferret's response, in that if Blue wasn't the butt of tons of jokes and such, he would have a mental breakdown. Without the others poking fun at him, he wouldn't get nearly as much attention as he needs to survive. If a comic chapter was done in which Blue wasn't made fun of, he'd probably be begging to be made fun of by the end of it.

"Why worry about life? Death is much more interesting..."
--Kael the Necromancer

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Origin

Heh, the name SinisterMarmalade is an idea I had for the name of a heavy metal band when I was a teenager and still playing guitar. Influences include classic rock (Foreigner, Bad Co., Queen), alternative (Soul Asylum, Verve Pipe, Smashing Pumpkins), heavy/speed metal (Alice Cooper, Megadeth, Grim Reaper), some 80's new wave (Tears For Fears, Duran Duran, Pat Benatar), hair bands (Poison, Warrant, Def Leppard) and assorted strange things on the fringe (Weird Al, They Might Be Giants, Tom Lehrer, Simon and Garfunkel, Counting Crows). Never released an album, recorded a song, or even filled any band positions except myself, badly. Ah, the dreams of youth. Sorry for the off topic.

Rob's picture

Heh! Off-topic is cool.

Heh! Off-topic is cool. Hell, I have trouble staying on-topic in real life, let alone on forums.
:-D

And you know, I've been thinking--Each character, I think, gets dissed by the others at certain points. Crash less than the other two because she's the most stable, serious one. Going back and thinking of the original character concepts reminded me of some of the reasons I made the choices I did.

I don't know if you're familiar with it, but there is actually something loosely termed "comic theory," which is not so much to do about actual comics as comedy in general.

The entire thing would take far too long to go into here, but I can cover a COUPLE of the basics that show why various characters are the brunts of sometimes more than their fair share of jokes. Keep in mind that there is a LOT more--I'm just trying to cover ONE aspect of comedy writing in VERY broad strokes.

Essentially, in any ensemble-cast, character-driven comedy (including sitcoms), one of the many things we deal with is comic perspective. Most of the humor depends upon clashes of comic perspectives between and within characters.

A character's comic perspective is essentially some distorted view of reality--usually an exaggeration of a more "normal" perspective.

For instance, there are people who are obsessively neat and clean, and who believe there is a right and a wrong way to do everything. Adrian Monk, on the other hand, takes this to the extreme. He goes so far as to sterilize his toothbrush between strokes, washes his hands 100 times a day, and has his assistant carry wet wipes for him to use IMMEDIATELY upon shaking hands with someone! The world, to him, is a dangerous place, full of germs and dangerous untidiness, all of which is unacceptable, and all of which he MUST fix. This is his comic perspective.

His assisitant, on the other hand, plays what is commonly known as the "straight man," role. It her character's job to emphasize Monk's eccentricities by providing contrast of a fairly "normal" person. The clash of perspectives between Monk, his assistant, and indeed, the rest of the world, is the basis for most of the comedy of the show.

In BCK, Crash is the smart, sensible, organized one. The exaggeration of this which makes it a comic perspective is that she does things like organizing the sock drawers by the color of socks. Come to think of it, I'd like to play up her comic perspective a bit more.

One of her main strengths, though, is that she's an excellent "straight man;" a foil for Kit and Blue's wackiness. For instance, "armadillo hockey bowling," is funnier when the more "normal" character, instead of being surprised, simply takes it in stride and reminds Blue and Kit that they're not suposed to be playing that game in the house.

Kit is fun-loving, quirky, mischeivous, and impulsive. What takes these things from being mere character traits and makes them into a comic perspective is that she considers all of life a game, and anything that sounds like it could be fun--no matter how dangerous and ill-advised--is preferable to boredom. She rarely considers the consequences of her actions until it is too late.

Blue is a macho tough guy, but not too bright. What makes this a comic perspective is that not only is he a tough guy; he has to be the TOUGHEST guy in the world, and the MOST into "guy things." He takes this to such an extreme that, for example, when Seth made him a flying harness, one of the first uses to which he put it was to peek down women's tops.

There are obvious character clashes here based on comic perspective, and I think you can see why some characters are more often the brunt of the joke than others. There are also, of course, internal clashes--For instance, tough guy Blue likes to rock out to Abba when no one is looking.

And you know, I think I have rambled enough.
;-)

"What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly."

Kuro_Neko's picture

My thoughts on the trio's relationship

I only recently discovered this comic, but I fell in love with it right away, I read the whole thing in like two days.
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But to the point:
You talk about the comedic aspect of the characters (which is good and well done) but they're deeper then that (which is also a very good thing). It's the depth of the characters that really grabbed me.
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For instance, I think Crash has a fair number of insecurities hiding under that confident and assertive exterior. In this, Blue and Kit are very good for her, in that they shore up her ego with their unconditional love. They also help break up that seriousness of hers with their antics, which Crash finds funny, no matter how she acts. Of course Crash is very good for Blue and Kit as well. Blue and Kit are very much alike, too much so really. Blue is a little more grounded but not by a great deal. Without Crash nothing would ever get done.
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Kit is too happy go lucky, and she seems to know it. Which is why she appreciates the other two so much, they help keep her grounded, or at least less happy go lucky. Other then that, Kit is pretty uncomplicated, which is a big part of her appeal. Her uncomplicated joy of life helps the other two enjoy life as well, even when, especially when, the world's problems start to weigh them down.
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Blue seems to have his own issues as well. Though my feelings about his character are little more vague then the others. As hard as it might be to believe, I think Blue might actually be too serious without the girls around. His desire to be the toughest seems to me to stem from a drive to right all the world's wrongs and save everyone. Being a hero seems to be a much more fundamental part of his character then with the girls. I don't think he could ever not be a hero. Of course no matter how strong or tough he gets he's never going to be able to save everyone, and I think without the girls around to keep him in perspective he might get too stressed or depressed over this fact.
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Another thought I had was that it was probably a very good thing that Crash met Blue first. If Kit had met Blue first they probably would have still gotten together, but I don't know if Crash would have had the confidence to try to insert herself into an existing relationship the way Kit did. While Crash is bi and comfortable with this fact, I have the feeling that this is her first experience with a multiple person relationship.
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The closeness of the three of them is obvious. That said, it'd be nice to see a little more affection between them. We hardly see any of the little things that separate the romantic relationships from the close friendships. Hell, even when they're in bed they don't cuddle or anything. I can understand the desire not to get too sexual (though I loved that sly comment from Kit during the giant frog incident =^_^=) but a little cuddling or kissing wouldn't go astray.
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Of course all this is simply my own thoughts and feelings. You as the ..author? ..artist? whatever, may actually have something entirely different in mind for the internal workings of the characters. *shrug* I'll continue to enjoy it no matter what. Keep up the good work.
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Kuro_Neko

Rob's picture

First, thank you! And you

First, thank you! And you hit the nail on the head.
:-)

"What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly."

Rob's picture

I just re-read this,

I just re-read this, Kuro_Neko, and I think you've made the most thoughtful and spot-on analysis of the characters that I've ever read. Blue does very much have that, "gotta save 'em all," mentality, and without the girls to balance him, could turn into a grim, bitter Punisher type. Crash's role as the common sense of the group boosts her self-image and contributes to her security. I think all three of them know that Crash is the one who keeps them sane. Kit, left to her own devices, would be out getting into a ton of trouble--and getting other people hurt, as well--due to her total lack of judgment, discipline, and attention span. She's like Tomo in Azu Manga Daio.

"What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly."

Kara Trister's picture

I actually[if i can spell

I actually[if i can spell the word x.x] think that Blue does have respect and love from everyone else, its just that sometimes we all have to come down. I mean, I dont really know what I mean...It just looks like a typical relationship to me! You love your boyfriend/girlfriend, but you cant help but poke fun at little things that are true, like a beer and asparagus cassarole...i'd pick too..

sethtriggs's picture

Yeah, true that!

Looks like Melvin may be feeling a little lonely though. This sort of thing is very very common!

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Kara Trister's picture

yeah...poor Melvin..but we

yeah...poor Melvin..but we all know he'll find someone sweet ^^

Project_Demise's picture

Definitely

Yep. Melvin will definitely get himself a nice boyfriend, then unknowingly eat some of Blue's cooking...What a date ruiner...

Darkness and light go hand in hand. One cannot exist without the other. Which one do you fall under?

deludedian's picture

enuff respect

I agree. I couldn't have put it better myself.

Deludedian

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